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 Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.

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PostSubject: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:47 pm

According to the study, the recession may have been caused by
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“financial subversion carried out by unknown parties, such as terrorists or hostile nations … covertly using vulnerabilities in the U.S. financial system.”



According to the new report, the attack has three stages, two of which may have already been implemented:

The first phase was a speculative run-up in oil prices that generated as much as $2 trillion of excess wealth for oil-producing nations, filling the coffers ofSovereign Wealth Funds, especially those that follow Shariah Compliant Finance.

The second phase appears to have begun in 2008 with a series of bear raids targeting U.S. financial services firms that appeared to be systemically significant [such as Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers]. This created a system-wide crisis, caused the collapse of the credit markets, and nearly collapsed the global financial system.

The risk of a Phase Three has quickly emerged, suggesting a potential direct economic attack on the U.S. Treasury and U.S. dollar. Such an event has already been discussed by finance ministers in major emerging market nations such as China and Russia as well as Iran and the Arab states. A focused effort to collapse the dollar by dumping Treasury bonds has grave implications including the possibility of a downgrading of U.S. debt forcing rapidly rising interest rates and a collapse of the American economy. In short, a bear raid against the U.S. financial system remains possible and may even be likely. [Emphasis added]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/28/financial-terrorism-suspected-in-08-economic-crash/?page=1
http://www.nolanchart.com/article8406.html
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pentagon-study-08-financial-crisis-may-have-been-the-work-of-finanical-terrorists/

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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:25 pm

Im calling bullshit. This sounds like some conspiracy theory someone made up to shift the blame of this massive fuck up.
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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:32 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:51 pm

I don't see why it's unreasonable to say financial terrorism doesn't exist. We DO have enemies and rivals.

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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:59 pm

>“financial subversion carried out by unknown parties, such as terrorists or hostile nations … covertly using vulnerabilities in the U.S. financial system.”

Anyway, 'may have been caused by' =! 'caused by'.

It's hard to rule out the possibility, but not much evidence has been brought forth that would allow us to draw this conclusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:05 pm

Here's the report... you can analyize the evidence if you like.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49755779/Economic-Warfare-Risks-and-Responses-by-Kevin-D-Freeman

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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:31 pm

Theres way more effective methods of terrorism.
And Im still maintaining that this is utter blame-shifting bullshit. Wherever the blame lies 0_0`
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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:35 pm

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Are you serious? Without an economy, what does a country have?

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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:43 pm

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Theres way more effective methods of terrorism.

Are you serious? Without an economy, what does a country have?


An effective terrorist attack could shut down key production centers; it would be quicker and easier to do that than it would be to do the three-step plan outlined by the report.
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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:34 pm

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An effective terrorist attack could shut down key production centers; it would be quicker and easier to do that than it would be to do the three-step plan outlined by the report.

Like 9/11? The fall of the WTC did hurt the economy. But are you still feeling the effects of that today?

If you destroy an economy beyond repair, then the country's military and government structure essentially collapse/

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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:56 pm

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Like 9/11? The fall of the WTC did hurt the economy. But are you still feeling the effects of that today?


Imagine if 9/11 had been a nuclear attack, rather than one using planes. The larger cities would have to have been evacuated, meaning key financial and industrial centers would have been abandoned. This would have done what financial terrorism didn't.
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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:21 pm

Financial terrorism would have been arguably far more chaotic. If your plan is to create a wasteland, then set off a nuclear weapon. But if you implement economic annihilation, there would a humongous uptick in crime, like looting and theft, wages could not be paid, because the government would have no money! It wouldn't even exist. There would be no military. Countries like Iran and Syria and North Korea could have a field day. The United States could never possibly recover from financial annihilation. A nuclear attack would be devastating, but it's not impossible to recover from.

Just picture America after financial collapse. It'd be ruled by biker gangs and warlords. The country would fragment into hundreds of smaller groups.

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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:28 pm

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Just picture America after financial collapse. It'd be ruled by biker gangs and warlords. The country would fragment into hundreds of smaller groups.


It was most certainly that way after the 2007 crisis, and it was certainly that way after the 1929 crisis.

Oh wait.

Financial collapse hasn't and did not tear the fabric of American society. Crime did not increase, in fact, it fell. Biker gangs did not take over, and the government did not fragment (that is, it didn't fragment in a way that ended in the abolition of government itself).

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The United States could never possibly recover from financial annihilation. A nuclear attack would be devastating, but it's not impossible to recover from.


Simply replace 'financial annihilation' and 'nuclear attack' with each other, and you will get the same point.

A nuclear attack inside of Washington D.C. would effectively shut down the government. It would plunge the states into anarchy. Now whether that is good or bad depends on your point of view, but it would do just that.

There are precautions in place to prevent the downfall of America in case of financial collapse and nuclear attack, however, destroying the primary center of government would do more damage than an orchestrated attack on finance, something that we've seen hasn't caused the utter downfall of all of humanity.
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PostSubject: Re: Was the recession caused by... financial terrorism? Pentagon study says yes.   Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:03 pm

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It was most certainly that way after the 2007 crisis, and it was certainly that way after the 1929 crisis.

Oh wait.

Financial collapse hasn't and did not tear the fabric of American society. Crime did not increase, in fact, it fell. Biker gangs did not take over, and the government did not fragment (that is, it didn't fragment in a way that ended in the abolition of government itself).

Do you really feel the need to blatantly distort what I said? I clearly didn't say a recession will cause those things, because it won't. The initial post CLEARLY states we are only at the second step.

You obviously don't understand the magnitude of a currency war. Our currency would be rendered worthless. Interest rates would skyrocket, stopping most loans and investment, stagnating the economy. Our interest rate is approximately 0% right now, mind you. If that were to increase, it would fragment the fragile economy.

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Simply replace 'financial annihilation' and 'nuclear attack' with each other, and you will get the same point.

A nuclear attack inside of Washington D.C. would effectively shut down the government. It would plunge the states into anarchy. Now whether that is good or bad depends on your point of view, but it would do just that.

Dare I ask how anyone could think that a nuclear attack on DC COULD BE a good thing depending on your opinion? How can you say that? Thousands of civilians would die! There's no "good or bad" question here.

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